On The Road Again With Hooch and Ganga

North Carolina ATF pinched six members of Willie Nelson's band for possession of moonshine and marijuana.
A concert in Kenansville had to be cancelled on Friday night.

Members of Willie Nelson's band cited for moonshine, drugs :: WRAL.com

Willie's web site stated that the concert had to be cancelled because he had had carpel tunnel surgery and was in a great deal of pain.

That Willie is feeling the pain of surgery without his normal dose of dope, is little surprise.

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Pork better for sex than Viagra?

Reuters story reports that the president of Argentina told Argentinian pork farmers....

"I've just been told something I didn't know; that eating pork improves your sex life ... I'd say it's a lot nicer to eat a bit of grilled pork than take Viagra,"

The president, a woman, Christina Fernandez, indicated that she and her husband had enjoyed a satisfying weekend after eating barbecued pork.
Link to the story.
This gives the comic character Porky Pig a whole new meaning.
Remember the movie Deliverance?

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Texas Lawman

A young Texan grew up wanting to be a law man. He grew up big, 6' 2'', and strong as a longhorn and fast as a mustang. He could shoot a bottle cap tossed in the air at 40 paces. When he finally became of age he applied to where he had only dreamed of working: the West Texas Sherriff's Department.

After a big mess of tests and interviews the Chief Deputy finally called him into his office for the young man's last interview.

The Chief Deputy says: "You're a big strong kid and you can really shoot. So far your qualifications all look good. But we have what you call an 'attitude suitability test' that you must take before you can be accepted. We just don't let anyone carry our badge son."

Then, sliding a service pistol and a box of ammo across the desk, the Chief says:

"Take this pistol and go out and shoot:

Six illegal aliens,

six lawyers,

six meth dealers,

six Muslim extremists,

six democrats,

and a rabbit."

"Why the rabbit?" says the applicant.

"Great attitude," says the Chief Deputy.

"When can you start?"

Thank you pjms

La Strada

Have said it before, this dvd came to the house, have no idea how I selected an Italian movie.  Probably because Netflix made the suggestion when I chose The Lives of Others.  As it turned out, lucky for me.
Directed by Frederico Fellini who assisted TullioPinelli in the writing of the sparse but deep story.
Produced by two men well known in America, Dino De Laurentiis who at 90 is still out there working, and Carlo Ponti who passed 3 years ago but earned my respect by marrying Sophia Loren.
The actors were a mix of Americans and Italians...

• Anthony Quinn plays the abusive brutish Zampanò, circus strongman. 
• Giulietta Masina plays Gelsomina, the fated heroine of the movie, a adled young woman with a natural flair for theatrics. In real life Masina was Fellini's wife.
• Richard Basehart as Il Matto, "The Fool", Zampanò's antogonist who specializes as a high wire walker and clownish charcter.

The plot is simple enough but draws you in completely by the by the end.  Living with her poor mother and younger sisters in a nut on a deserted beach, Gelsomina is sold, for about $20.00, by her mother to Zampanò, for the purpose of serving as the itinerant strongman's assitant.  In that exchange we learn that Rosa, Gelsomina's older sister was Zampanò's previous assistant, and has mysteriously died. By the end of the story, you come to imagine that Rosa came to an awful end at the hands of the brutish man. The pair travel the roads of Italy, in a three wheeled motorcycle that has a tent, moving from town to town.  In that time Gelsomina becomes the better performer, having a talent for entertainment, she is a natural clown in expression of both happiness and sadness. Zampanò in his animalistic manner eventually rapes Gelsomina, who playing the clown in real life acts out with mixed emotions.  These mixed emotions come to be affection, which of course is not recognized by by the chauvanistic Zampanò.  He in his punishing manner ignores her growing affection and hooks up with a protitute and later a work worn cook. 

The travels bring the couple to a ad-hoc circus outside of Rome. Here we meet the amusing talented wire walker Il Matto.  By way of previous dealings between Il Matto, Zampanò and the deceased Rosa, there is very bad blood between the two men.  This brews into fisticuffs causing both men to be expelled from the circus. 

Back on the road the couple of Gelsomina and Zampanò are working their act as before.  Their travels bring them across Il Matto whose auto has a flat tire.  Minor fisticuffs begin again, in which the clown head was hit on the car.  He takes a few steps and dies.  Zampanò then moves the body and stages the death like it was a car accident.  This course of action drives the simple Gelsomina into a deep depression.  Over the next couple of weeks she has stopped acting during Zampanò's chain breaking act.  Travelling into the Italian Alps the couple stops near a snow covered deserted house.  Gelsomaina comes out of the motorcycle tent and shows some improved perkiness, which is immediately brought down by comments Zampanò makes about Il Matto.  She then goes to sleep by the fire. 

Zampanò in is constant self-absorbed mode, sees and opportunity and sneaks off by puching the motorcycle without starting.  The next scene is at another beach and we see Zampanò as visibly older and lacksidasically

going through the same old chain act.  Later walking through town, Zampanò hears a hummed tune that was Gelsomina's favorite creation.  He questions the lady that was humming the tune and learns that 4 or 5 years ago a vagabond woman had been in town, and sickly stayed with her family.  As thanks and in appreciation for her care she had often played her trumpet to the family.  Unfortunately she had died without leaving any indication of who to inform.  Later that night Zampanò gets obscenely drunk, walks out onto the beach and breaks down, realizing that he missed on a woman that loved him.

The scene is famous for its lack dialog and music.

The entire movie was scored by Nino Rota who also did The Godfather.

I give this movie a rating of 46 of 50. This movie won the 1957 Oscar Best Foreign Language Film, so I guess other people liked it too. Get it, watch it.

• Character Development, 10 of 10.
• Screenplay, 8 of 10.
• Acting, 9 of 10. Both Anthony Quinn and Richard Basehart in the best roles of their lives.
• Photography, 9 of 10. Italian neo-realism perfected.
• Plot, 10 of 10.

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Tried to view on Irritable Engineer Blog...The Day Obamacare Died

As I would have expected from the Progressive Left…again they try too to stifle free speech. YouTube took the site down as they have many others they don’t agree with. I have seen this many times. If the left disagrees with it, they will try to debate it, if they can’t debate it, they will dismiss it, can’t dismiss it, they will try and discredit it, can’t discredit it, they will attack it, otherwise they will just suppress it from being viewed.

This site is the only one I have found that will still link it! http://www.wntube.net/play.php?vid=5572

Great one!!!! I found myself singing along...

Thank you dgj.

Bailey

My brother's labrador retriever passed away this fall.
We found out a little later and am sorry for the pain that caused Callie and Julia.
She had chocolate color, stumpy legs, was always shedding like crazy and never, ever, had mean moment.
She was a good dog.
The bride likes to make a donation to the Atlanta Humane Society in these situations.
I'll post a picture of Bailey tommorrow.

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And As I Watched Him On the Stage

My hands were clenched in fist of rage.
This is a thought that I've had for over a year now.
The arrogance and elusiveness of our President is dismaying.
Some people have too much time on their hands, and I am glad for it.
First found this at Grouchy Old Cripple.

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The Only Problem With Democracy Is People

The Only Problem With Democracy Is People
By Burt Prelutsky (Archive) · Saturday, January 23, 2010

Winston Churchill, who made a better case for alcohol consumption than all the beer commercials ever produced, is well known for having observed that democracy is the worst form of government…except for all the others. But, in a less avuncular state of mind, he also pointed out that “The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”

Even Alexis de Tocqueville would have a tough time arguing with that bit of cynical truth. It is especially true of liberals, a group numbering in the millions, who are of the opinion that their compassionate intentions out-weigh logic, honesty and principles.

That is why politicians on the Left don’t have to worry about telling lies, acknowledging their mistakes or even making sense. So long as they claim that their malicious mischief is motivated by genuine concern for the poor, the ignorant and the allegedly oppressed, their liberal flocks will pay homage to their efforts and applaud their fabrications.

The easiest way to comprehend liberalism is to think of it, not even as a religion, but as a cult. Many people, after all, have converted from one religion to another or simply dropped religion altogether, but it’s not quite so simple to abandon a cult. As thousands of grief-stricken parents have discovered over the years, they’ve had to have their offspring kidnapped and de-programmed because the brainwashing techniques have been so powerful. And that’s when a cult only has a single leader, someone like David Koresh or Jim Jones.

Imagine how much stronger a cult’s hold on the individual is when it has a multitude of heads -- demagogues like Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Kerry, Durbin, Murtha, Boxer, Waxman, Leahy and Schumer -- whose every utterance is parroted by the NY Times, the Washington Post, the New Yorker, Time, CNN and the alphabet networks.

How do you explain why anyone in a theoretically free society would willingly surrender his brain to Soviet-like thought control? The best answer I can come up with is that there’s a herd instinct among human beings that’s akin to the one that governs the behavior of cattle, sheep and lemmings.

To think like a liberal, a conservative merely needs to get down on all fours and then bang his head on a wall until he’s managed to knock 50 points off his IQ.

On the other hand, I’d like to think that even Winston Churchill would take heart from the recent election results in Massachusetts.

THE MIRACLE OF TOILET PAPER

From a woman's point of view....

Fresh from my shower, I stand in front of the mirror complaining to my husband that my breasts are too small. Instead of characteristically telling me it's not so, he uncharacteristically comes up with a suggestion. If you want your breasts to grow, then every day take a piece of toilet paper and rub it between them for a few seconds.'
Willing to try anything, I fetch a piece of toilet paper and stand in front of the mirror, rubbing it between my breasts. 'How long will this take?' I asked. 'They will grow larger over a period of years,' my husband replies.
I stopped. 'Do you really think rubbing a piece of toilet paper between my breasts every day will make my breasts larger over the years?'
Without missing a beat he says, 'Worked for your ass, didn't it?'
He's still alive, and with a great deal of therapy, he may even walk again, although he will probably continue to take his meals through a straw.

thank you ccurtis, yitb

Harry Reid

Much ado is being made over comments that Harry Reid made about our President's dialect.
Just my simple thought, but, convervative pundits ought to shut up.
Too much was made about Trent Lott's comments made at a party for a retiring Senator.
Too much is being made of Harry's as well, people say stupid shit, what the hell do you expect, he has enough trouble when he's trying to look smart.

Who is John Galt?

Concise opinion placing value in the writings of Ayn Rand, recognizing that politicians left and right work against the freedom of citizens. Poiticians work for themselves.

New Patriot Journal Who is John Galt

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LMAO: PETA pulls ads featuring Michelle Obama

This is priceless.
PETA, a center for liberal minded animal lovers, presumes that it can use the likeness of Michelle Obama because she does not wear fur, doesn't ask for permission.  Has to pull the add.  This from the group that has no problem destroying the personal property of citizens and businesses alike, thwarted by a woman inprinciple agrees with them.
PETA makes complaint that the Ringling Brothers Circus has named a baby elephant after the President.

"We thought it was only fitting to call him Barack," she said.
"He is an amazing elephant. We're very proud of him."

This is a name given to respect the President, not insult him. 
The GOP elephant relationship was probably unforseen. 
All the more reason to enjoy.
PETA can pound sand.
PETA pulls ads featuring Michelle Obama  | ajc.com

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The Great Gatsby

Read this book over the weekend.   I must be the only literate adult in America over the age of forty that has not read the book for a high school or college assignment, or seen the movie on television or otherwise.
What I do know now, is that I want to watch the movie.
Written by F. Scott Fitzgerald, the book is only a couple of hundred pages long and was published in April 1925.
The book is narrated by Nick Carroway, a midwestern man of his late 20's, graduate of Yale and cousin of Daisy Buchanan.  Daisy and her husband Tom are part of the new rich living in Long Island and working the markets of New York.  Tom and Daisy have a two year child that they largely ignore for a life of parties. Tom  has a mistress, the wife of a garage owner named Myrtle Wilson.  The parties are ostentatious and filled with plenty of alcohol, which shouldn't have been because this was during prohibition.
Nick is working selling bonds in the city, his neighbor is, Jay Gatsby, a man who is known for giving luxurious weekend long parties.  Eventually Nick and Jay befriend each other, and Nick comes to enjoy the over the top lifestyle.  Gatsby makes an extra effort make a personal contact to Nick, something irregular for the normally aloof man.  They travel to the city and meet some of Gatsby's business aquaintances, they for all apprearances are part of the Jewish mafia, presumably involved in gambling and alcohol distribution.  Eventually Gatsby get around to his intent for Mr. Carroway, he want to meet with Daisy, whom he knows Nick is related.  It seems that Gatsby and Daisy knew each other before she was married. 
Daisy and Jay start to spend time with each other.  Then during a late summer weekend, Tom, Jay, Daisy and Nick are all having a party which involves a trip to the city.  In their room at the Plaza, Tom makes clear that he knows about Daisy and Jay.  Daisy and Jay leave in a coupe for the island home.  Tom and Nick follow later in another car and find that Myrtle has been run over by another driver in front of the garage.   Tom whispers something into Tom's, Myrtle's husband) ear.  Then Tom drops Nick off at his house and goes home.  Walking into his house, Gatsby catches Nick and tells him how Daisy had been driving and had run over Myrtle.  Gatsby was prepared to accept the blame and claim to be the driver if caught.
The next day, Gatsby is floating in his pool, Tom Wilson shoots Gatsby and then himself.  It seems that Tom had told Mr. Wilson that Gatsby had run over his wife, without any proof of that fact.
The book wraps up with a sad lack of depth in all of the party patrons to which Gatsby had shown so much largesse.  Only three people came to the funeral.
The bride had told me a couple of times while I was reading this, that the story was depressing.  She sure was right on that account. The book was a pleasure to read and I will be renting the movie soon.

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Seems Appropriate

"We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality."

Ayn Rand

A Real Family Tragedy

An elderly man suffered a massive heart attack. The family immediately drove wildly to get him to the emergency room.
After what seemed like a very long wait, the ER Doctor appeared, wearing his scrubs and a long face.
Sadly, he said, "I'm afraid he is brain-dead, but his heart is still beating."
"Oh, Dear God," cried his wife, her hands clasped against her cheeks with shock! "We've never had a Democrat in the family before!"

Pelosi's Open Process

The Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, by this article suggested that the health care process has been an open book. Here is a direct quotation....

"There has never been a more open process for any legislation,"

OK Nancy you said it, the sound bite is established, don't despair though readers, everybody already knew the woman was a bald faced liar.

C-SPAN is pressing to show the bill reconciliation process, but publicly the lawmakers in the House suggest that the meeting will be informal. Authors Eric Zimmerman and Michael O'Brien wrote....

"Pelosi also hinted that holding informal negotiations--likely without TV cameras--might be the most practical way to push the legislation through."

Splendid, now she is informing us that like Osama Bin Ladin, she's a marked woman and they are going to keep the meeting places and time dynamic, in an effort to stymie the seekers of truth. Can Predator drones see inside buildings? I'll bet they can target on a cell phone signal.

Pelosi tells C-SPAN: 'There has never been a more open process' - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room#comments#comments

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Sour Grapes

Ray Goff, the head coach that followed Vince Dooley, was asked by reporters what he would tell Will Musschamp if he were contacted by Mark Richt to become Georgia's new defensive coordinator.

"If he called and said he had a chance to be the coach at Texas in two or three years or go to Georgia, I'd tell him to stay at Texas. I'd tell him you are going to get fired one day because 99 percent of guys get fired. And if you get fired by your alma mater, you no longer have an alma mater. You no longer have a place to call home."

Sounds like a man that has been aliented by a family he loved.
Why is that the Georgia clan cannot get their arms around the fact that they've never been sucessful at drawing in vogue coaches. Not to besmerch the program, because I think coaches like Richt, Dooley and even Tubby Smith are top flight men, but they were all hired in before they became famous. These men developed their personas while at UGA. The Georgia slots will never match Kentucky in basketball, or Alabama in football. There is usually one program per major conference that has that kind of allure. This is not a we're better than you, GT versus UGA thing, Tech has the same problems with the additional complication of being a smaller program and therefore cash poor.
Great historical prorgams like Kentucky, Texas, USC, Notre Dame, North Carolina and Alabama can draw in the coaches they wish for simply by the prestige. Texas pulled Mack Brown away from North Carolina, North Carolina enticed Roy Williams away from Kansas and so on an so forth. When Notre Dame came calling on George O'Leary, do you think he thought twice about leaving?
Why in the world would Will Musschamp leave Texas for the same job in Georgia?

War on Terror? What War?

In the past I have avoid reading David Limbaugh because of the egocentric delivery of his more famous brother.  Not that I don't agree with Rush, just find him hard to listen to.  The linked opinion piece goes after the Obama regime pretty hard for having a enemy friendly approach to terrorist shielding countries.  He says...

The answer is Obama is a liberal and he has deliberately surrounded himself with like-minded, weak-willed leftists who are congenitally incapable of grasping the presence of evil in the world. They are blind to the reality that the terrorists hate us because of their ideology and theology and not because of any alleged misconduct at a detention facility. Do you really think it's plausible that people who engage in the brutal tactics these people engage in would bother recruiting on the absurd bases that Obama claims?

I need to start reading David Limbaugh more because I very much agree with the statement.  The fits my opinion that liberal psyche is based in self loathing.  I put forth that to liberals, with regards to terrorism, equate the terrorist's hatred of the west, to their own loathing of Republicans, conservatives and in a less defined sense government.  But they are not the same, the Muslim faith has splinters, affected by poverty, affected by religious teaching, and lastly affected by disingenuous governance. These all contribute to an anger that is aimed, in large part by certain religious leaders at things western.  The fact that Isreal and the United States are boxed into being the main physical adversaries focuses more intensity on us, because we are who they see resisting us.
The argument that this is oil based is crap, this complaint goes back to the crusades, long before oil.  There is a more than fair argument revenues from oil feed the fire, a tactic used by the disingenuous governements to maintain class seperation.  In poor Muslim countries, like Somalia, Yemen, Jordan and Palestine the anti-west fever is stoked with money and propoganda from rich Muslim countries like Saudia Arabia, Egypt, Iran, Syria and previsously Iraq.  The support may or may not be governmentally endorsed, but it is continuously incubated by private support.  The human response that tese are poor an suffering peoples is Christain and right, but defense of self comes first.

War on Terror? What War? -- David Limbaugh -- GOPUSA

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Wal-Mart Interesting Facts

1. Americans spend $36,000,000 at Wal-Mart every hour of every day.
2. This works out to $20,928 profit every minute!
3. Wal-Mart will sell more from January 1 to St. Patrick's Day (March 17th) than Target sells all year.
4. Wal-Mart is bigger than Home Depot + Kroger + Target + Sears + Costco + K-Mart combined.
5. Wal-Mart employs 1.6 million people and is the largest private Employer, and most speak English.
6. Wal-Mart is the largest company in the history of the World.
7. Wal-Mart now sells more food than Kroger & Safeway combined, and keep in mind they did this in only 15 years.
8. During this same period, 31 supermarket chains sought bankruptcy.
9. Wal-Mart now sells more food than any other store in the world.
10. Wal-Mart has approx 3,900 stores in the USA of which 1,906 are Super Centers; this is 1,000 more than it had 5 Years ago.
11. This year 7.2 billion different purchasing experiences will occur At a Wal-Mart store. (Earth's population is approximately 6.5 Billion.)
12. 90% of all Americans live within 15 miles of a Wal-Mart.

You may think that I am complaining, but I am really laying the ground work for suggesting that MAYBE we should hire the guys who run Wal-Mart to Fix the economy because the fools in Washington sure can't do it!

 

This was sent to me by a co-worker this morning. If all factual, an impressive behemoth. I would suggest the with our encroaching socialist system, that the government already has its suckers attached on one side of Wal-Mart and public disruption policy working on the other side. This is evidenced in the repeated attacks of unions, and the card check system designed to intimidate employees into joining them. Remember, in a socialist system unions = government, look for examples in the access granted to SEIU and the provisions made for union exclusions in the new health care packages. Attacks from the other side via taxation, and zoning resistance. The government intends feast off the profits of this company, by corporate income taxes, dividend taxes paid by shareholders, local sales taxes, property taxes, zoning fees, tariff taxes paid by imported products, payroll taxes paid by employees and the employer and in the end death taxes for the Walton family. Big companies are the lifeblood of government, until the government kills the goose.

 

Thank you jk for the inspiration.

Orange Bowl Fun

The morning before the game, Georgia Tech versus Iowa, kind of regretting the decision not to go to Miami for the game.  Yesterday was offered 4 tickets plus hotel room for $550.00. Anyway with the Atlanta temperature this morning below twenty, the warmth and fun would be nice.
Over the past 69 years Tech has been the Orange Bowl four times, winning three.

These are the summaries.

1. Jan. 1, 1952: A win for Georgia Tech 17, Baylor 14, Pepper Rodgers kicked a late field goal gives Tech win. Tech finished the year at 11-0-1. Pepper later became head coach at UCLA, then Tech later in the USFL.
2. Jan. 1, 1948: Another win for Georgia Tech 20 over Kansas 14. Georgia Tech's defense made a goal-line stand holds off Jayhawks. Kansas then fumbled inside the 1-yard line.
3. Jan. 1, 1945: Our only loss in the game to Tulsa 26, Georgia Tech 12. Quarterback Frank Broyles threw for 304 yard, but the Jackets having fallen behind 20-0 could not make up the difference. Broyles later served as an assistant coach under Bobby Dodd, then head coached an Arkansas squad to a National Championship. That Arkansas team included Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson. Broyles was offered the head coaching job at Georgia Tech when Bobby Dodd retired but the mentor advised the disciple to decline which he did. Broyles has now long been the Athletic Director at the University of Arkansas.
4. Jan. 1, 1940: Our first win against Missouri, winning 21 - 7. Tech scored three consecutive touchdowns to cement the lead.

Good luck to this year's team, its not the best we've sent, that nod would go to the 52 team that won the National Championship, but its unique and frightening for opponents.

THWG

Obama tougher on terror than Bush-Cheney

Cynthia Tucker has never been shy about blaming in order, whites then Republicans.  In this op-ed piece she describes a comment by Tom Price (R-GA) as...

illogical and hypocritical half-a-cent’s worth to the meme

I don't know about you, but I had to look up the word "meme", it is not in Webster's New World Dictionary. But I did find it at hyperdictionay.  The definition is....

Definition: /meem/ [By analogy with "gene"] Richard Dawkins's term for an idea considered as a replicator, especially with the connotation that memes parasitise people into propagating them much as viruses do.

Memes can be considered the unit of cultural evolution. Ideas can evolve in a way analogous to biological evolution. Some ideas survive better than others; ideas can mutate through, for example, misunderstandings; and two ideas can recombine to produce a new idea involving elements of each parent idea.

The term is used especially in the phrase "meme complex" denoting a group of mutually supporting memes that form an organised belief system, such as a religion. However, "meme" is often misused to mean "meme complex".
Use of the term connotes acceptance of the idea that in humans (and presumably other tool- and language-using sophonts) cultural evolution by selection of adaptive ideas has become more important than biological evolution by selection of hereditary traits. Hackers find this idea congenial for tolerably obvious reasons.

So I guess the word applies, Tucker is saying that Price's statement is somehow the replication of a parasitic person.  I get it, it's bullshit, but I get it.  Price's quote was....

Likewise, Republican Study Committee Chairman Tom Price (R-Ga.) called on Mr. Obama to “recognize that we are at war with a murderous enemy who will not relent because we heed political correctness, acquiesce to international calls for deference or close the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay.”

A relatively worthless comment that by no means earns true wrath.  Tucker rattles, taking the standard swipes at Bush and Cheney.  She then finishes with .....

Obama has his own maxim: Speak softly and carry a lot of Predator drones.

Remember that these are the words of the op-ed columnist, not the President.  What they suggest, when combined with the title "Obama tougher on terror than Bush-Cheney" is that it is good tough policy to deter the enemy by shooting at him with remote control drones. 
To the pragmatist, a remote control response is part of a program, and one of the least effective parts at that.  Drones require intelligence and ground operatives to be reliable.  If a program is limited to this type of retalliation, it is best described as a weak parallel to the actions of President Clinton and his ineffective use of cruise missles.
Cynthia would never admit it but a program where the use of Predator drones is primary, is cowardly.

Obama tougher on terror than Bush-Cheney

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I'll Bet This is A Future Engineer

Sometimes you are encouraged about our country's future when you see something like this. Specifically, there is an annual contest at Texas A&M University calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term.
This year's term was:

"Political Correctness."

The winner wrote:

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

In the last election I posted stickers I received at Tech football games, by about 2 to 1, the wearers favored McCain.  Engineering student are taught and beaten into submission, that you work from what you can prove by measurement.
Now we know that we were not to by in the overall majority.
Conservatism is based in experience, not wishful thinking.
The fact that the Republican party is not conservative in nature is a betrayal of their voting base, not an indictment of the conservative values themselves. 

Thank you mrbmoore via jcsjr.